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Admiral Oozel	Turning point in 1944.	Lead	[-]
Posts: 23 (03/26/04 02:20:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Gentlemen, What do you think of the possibility in 1944 (if the plot against Adolf Hitler has been successful) to sign a cease fire between Germany and the Occidental Allies? That could have prevented the fall of Eastern Europe countries under Stalin's domination... A new german government could have prevented Germany's division and keep the 1937's frontiers.
Dave AAA	Re: Turning point in 1944.	#1	[-]
Posts: 315 (03/26/04 03:17:06) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Not a chance. The West wouldn't go for it, if for no other reason that it would be political suicide for FDR and Churchill. As for Germany, its post war division for occupation was set in February 1945, at Yalta and Poland was to be given "substantial accessions in territory in the north and west". This wouldn't have changed.
Admiral Oozel	Re: Turning point in 1944.	#2	[-]
Posts: 23 (03/26/04 06:41:46) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yes, yes I'm well informed of the Yalta conference and her disastrous consequences due to the illness of Roosevelt and the alcoholics divagations of Churchill... However I was talking of 1944, so before Yalta, and I wonder if, in case of a successful "coup d'etat" against the Fuhrer if a separate cease fire with Germany could have been possible. That would have prevent Staline's rapture of Eastern Europe and liberate all the war resources against Japan. After all General patton was in favour of this measure...
Dave AAA	Re: Turning point in 1944.	#3	[-]
Posts: 315 (03/26/04 11:25:26) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Still no chance. No one of any consequence in the US or UK governments supported this, and a comparatively junior army field commander was in no position to influence policy. Western soldiers would not willingly switch to fighting beside the "Huns", and Western civilians would not support any pro-German government. Without active allied support, the Sovits would beat the Germans in 1944/45. By July 20th, Operation BAGRATION was a success. Eastern Europe, would still end up Communist, as might France and Italy as well in reaction to an Anglo-American betrayal of a close ally.
Dave AAA	Re: Turning point in 1944.	#4	[-]
Posts: 315 (03/26/04 14:36:20) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Also check into the conferences before Yalta, Tehran in December 1943 in particular. Agrrements in principal on the post war division of germany and its borders with Poland were reached there.
Admiral Oozel	Reverse of alliances	#5	[-]
Posts: 23 (03/27/04 03:27:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Those agreements could have been modified or cancelled. By the way a separate ceasefire with the West would have permited to the German High Command to put all her forces against USSR. After all in 1944, Reichsminister Speer was able to break all production's records (planes, tanks, guns). The main problem was the Allieds bombings. After all Stalin was the former ally of Germany, a tyrannic monster and everything to prevent his domination would have been wise and moral. If Roosevelt has been in better health perhaps he would have considered seriously a German request to a separate ceasefire. At his place i would have pleaded for this and given immediate support if necessary to Germany.
Dave AAA	Re: Reverse of alliances	#6	[-]
Posts: 315 (03/27/04 09:21:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* Those agreements could have been modified or cancelled. Fortunately, no one in any Western gvoernment, nor the people of those countries had any interest what so ever in doing this. Nothing less than an unconditional German surrender was acceptable. *Quote:* The main problem was the Allieds bombings. Bigger problems were the lack of resources, and the fact that the Red Army was already on the Vistula.

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