Pre revolution Russia was literally owned by the affluent West . Russia provided Western financiers and Industrialists with a region to exploit for its resources , cheap labour and investment . In 1917 this lucrative market was lost , immediately the West invaded Russia to regain this pot of gold , only to lose , so Russia was isolated from the world . In between the wars the German industrial/financial complex , decided to take a gamble and invade Russia , this gamble they hoped would turn their fortunes around . Their plan was one of turning Russia into a colony for the personal benefit for exploitation of its industrial/financial complex . In 1933 the German industrial/financier complex installed the Nazis in power and put in place a rearmament plan . The German plan was this use Poland/Romania as a springboard for the invasion of Russia , Sept 1 Poland was invaded . However the Anglo/franco industrial/financier complex had their own plan they also wanted Russia , their gamble was to allow Germany to invade Poland , but they would sit behind the Maginot line , letting the Germans be lulled into a false sense of security by believing that England and France were just going to sit their and not risk another WWI type conflict . Then Germany would invade Russia and at an opportune time when these two nations were almost exhausted England and France would jump in taking the prize . The Germans saw through this plan and invaded France unexpectedly , Germany did not invade Britain because it gave Germany an excuse to Russia as to why they placing troops in Romania to forestall any British invasion of the Balkans . June 22 1941 Russia was attacked . Now the American industrial/financier complex jumped in seeing that her two main rivals England and France was finished , they saw an opportunity to gain control of Western Europe . Dec 11 1941 Germany declared war on America , America instituted the lend lease on England , bankrupting this country and turning itself into a colony of American finance . American airpower turned Germany to dust while the armies of Germany were cannibalized in Russia at Yalta America allowed Russia Eastern Europe while America secured the Affluent West . What Russia inherited in Eastern Europe was complete scorched earth from retreating Germans , at a great expence to Russia she had to rebuild East Europe . In 1948 America announced Russia to be a sinister threat to the World the Cold War started . Thus providing a unique excuse to fund the Arms Race which was lucrative to the American industrial/financier complex , The Cold War ended in 1989 , but Russian suffering goes on .
Why Russia was attacked in 1941
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Why Russia was attacked in 1941 |
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Dave AAA |
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Posts: 315 (08/18/03 23:34:50) |
Quote:And what percentage of the Russian economy was owned by foreigners in 1914? Quote:Actually, they invaded because the Communists had pulled out of the war with Germany and threatened to spread their revolution beyond Russia, so they supported the other side in the Civil War. Quote:And your source for this is? Quote:Seeing as just sitting there was in fact the Allied plan, any German belief that they were going to do just as they did was fully justified. Again, what proof do you have that this was not the case? Quote:A country with whom Germany was then allied. A German invasion was not something foreseeable in 1939. Quote:What British invasion of the Balkans? There was never any threat of this, any plan, or any prospect of this happening except in direct repose to Axis activity, as in Greece. Moreover, Stalinss sources in Berlin and London would have told him of any such plans. The Germans did not invade England because they did not have the capability. Quote:In fact, the US had been supporting the allies since 1939 and providing naval forces before BARBAROSSA Quote:Lend-Lease was instituted a year before Pearl Harbor and cost the UK nothing. Quote:As if they could have stopped the Soviets from taking Eastern Europe. Quote:In fact, the Soviet Union looted everything of remaining value from Eastern Europe, particularly from the Soviet Zone in Germany. Quote:Actually, it started with Communist insurgents in Greece in 1945 and a series of Communist coups in Eastern Europe before 1948. |
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2manmatch |
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Posts: 47 (08/19/03 11:31:54) |
I always knew that Hitler had nothing to do with it.....
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Posts: 47 (08/26/03 07:13:55) |
Oh darn, where did Brian go? I was looking 4ward to more of his enlightening entertainment.....
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SGM Maciborski |
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Posts: 158 (10/12/03 04:41:45) |
Hitler thought he could add one more easy victory and gain his living space. Rather the easy victories only lasted till the fall and they gained too much space to die.
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SENNA2 |
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Posts: 83 (10/14/03 05:24:21) |
Russia was attacked for it's OIL supply.
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Dave AAA |
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Posts: 315 (10/14/03 08:21:58) |
Assuming you weren't ironically comparing the reason for BARBAROSSA to the alleged reason for the invasion of Iraq:
The Nazis wanted to destroy Communism, gain Eastern Europe as a colony both for economic exploitation (including but certainly not limited to oil - the USSR's industrial capacity, agricultural produce, and other raw materials were each at least as important), to settle surplus German population ( like Britain's colonizations of India and North America), and reduce the Slavs to their proper status - slavery under German masters. They also wanted to kill the large Jewish population of the Soviet Union. |
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Wild Bill Natanya |
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I totally agree with Dave here, but there is more to it than that. I think the Germans eventually understood that Soviet would be a too powerful state if the German war against western Europe destroyed too much of the German fighting ability. Maybe they even thought that Stalin had a scheme of capturing Germany while fighting with Great Britain and the different resitance movements in the occupied countries. The Germans attacked the Soviet to prevent them from striking first - close up to the reason why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour. I also think Hitler overestimated the German war machine after the successes in Czechoslovakia, Poland, France, BeNeLux and Scandinavia. That is probably the reason why Russia was attacked in 1941, not later. In short: Hitler wanted a two front war so that for an example Soviet could take the upper hand while Germany was fighting with the Great Britain.
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Posts: 136 (10/30/03 19:32:14) |
This is typical Euro-street garble about the evil American military/industrial complex dominateing the world. And who said communism was dead? Post WWII Europe has always been psuedo-socialist anyway. Now the latest is American Imperialists, and the Jews, want to control the worlds oil. Someone should tell these people that were paying top dollar for the stuff. Oh well Europe will always have a need to demonize America in some way, in fact, the whole world does.
Read Mein Kampf and you'll find out why Hitler invaded Russia. Better yet read history,and BTW there was no round table discussion with wealthy Industrialists over whether they should or not. Hitler detested bolshevism/communism and considered it the mortal enemy of National Socialism. Hitlers reasons were pure Ideology and he attacked against the wishes of his entire General staff who didnt want to fight a two front war. |
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"What Russia inherited in Eastern Europe was complete scorched earth from retreating Germans , at a great expence to Russia she had to rebuild East Europe ."
Most of my Eastern European friends/aquaintences and family, as well as I, disagree with this statement. The Soviet Union RAPED Eastern Europe, as well as any other territory it aquired post 1917. They rebuilt squat. Ukraine-Germans were hailed as liberators until the SS got in there. Kiev has always conflicted with Moscow. Uzbekistan/Khazakstan/ -stan's - Take a look at this region today. Bankrupt, resource-depleted, polluted beyond any imagination of Soylent Green. The Soviets managed, through their arcane economic policies (greed), to destroy the future of countless generations to come. Typical new apartment buildings come with fences to catch the falling construction materials (bricks, etc) in any of the EU areas that saw "Soviet rebuilding". Got many books from the 1950's-1980's that show these "Soviet Engineering marvels". Other examples of their technology can be found on the numerous nuclear subs that have perished under their rule, or are rusting in the Arctic ocean. Their chief scientist, Lyshenko, was the laughingstock of the scientific community. Baltic countries- overrun and looted until they kicked the Soviets out in the 1990's. Soviets are not welcome there at all and are brutally discriminated against. Why?...lol The only country that stood up to the behemoth was Finland, who kicked commie arse to save not only themselves, but the entire world. Their reward- lose 10% of their territory and GDP. The Germans took note of the blundering giant's mistakes in that war, and, smelling blood, set upon their haplass foe. Aint history ironic- Nokia, one of the most sucessful and profitable companies in the world, employs Russian day laborers as cheap labor then kicks them back home at night...is a Finnish company. The fact is, the Soviet Union was just a bunch of thugs and havenots that had no vision, no common sense, no history and no future. They raped, murdered, and plundered their way into social science. Now they are history. Good riddance. |
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Admiral Oozel |
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The main reasons are political and then economical..
Hitler was adamant that Communism was the main threat for Germany and her new empire and the dire necessities of the Germano-Russian pact have infuriated him. (splitting of Poland, Bessarabia and Finland taken etcc) This, fueled by frustrations against the unexpected resistance of the U.K have lead him to the decision of Barbarossa. Adding to these motives are the huge economical potential for Germany ( oil fields, agricultural goods, factories, facilities like ports or railroads etc) and the huge numbers of slaves available in Soviet Union for the German war industry. Last but not least A.H was convinced that Staline was preparing to attack him very soon and so he has believed that a preventive attack was the best way to crush Communism. |
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Posts: 47 (03/27/04 21:02:41) |
"Hitler detested bolshevism/communism and considered it the mortal enemy of National Socialism. Hitlers reasons were pure Ideology and he attacked against the wishes of his entire General staff who didnt want to fight a two front war."
Yep...in a nut shell |
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